Post by Joe (Tigers) on Dec 4, 2013 14:09:30 GMT -5
The reason I'm calling for the vote is to avoid "piggy-backing" - when a manager nominates a player and is outbid by other teams. I feel if a manager does his research and finds a gem, then he should be rewarded, rather than have a manager see his bid and then be able to do research on a player. This would apply only to in-season free agency. Normal offseason free agency (from about a month or 2 before the season until opening day) would proceed as normal per the rules.
Feel free to discuss in this thread. Majority wins.
Last Edit: Dec 4, 2013 14:12:32 GMT -5 by Joe (Tigers)
Post by TB Rays (RSP) on Dec 4, 2013 14:39:01 GMT -5
I want to see the bidding remain all season. Sure it sucks to think you found a gem then get outbid for him, but that doesn't mean the other guy didn't do the research. Just means you posted first. And if he is truly a gem, I dont want to see one team loading up on young "gems" for $1 a piece mid season when they realize they won't be competitive and then be able to keep those guys long term dirt cheap. At least with the bidding, if you find a gem and lock him up, it's because no one else care enough to put in a bid
Post by Joe (Tigers) on Dec 4, 2013 14:49:46 GMT -5
Thanks for input. Keep in mind that the top 500 players (and top 200 prospects) will be drafted and rostered, so we're not really talking about a lot of high level players. And I think the first-come-first serve method reflects the non-coddling theme of this league and rewards hard workers and attentive owners.
I figured this might be a close vote, so I'm anxious to see how it shakes it out. Everyone else feel free to chime in. Majority wins!
Last Edit: Dec 4, 2013 16:01:27 GMT -5 by Joe (Tigers)
I agree. It's a cap league so let's keep with the theme and have the same bidding process all year
Being the guy who is first to act doesn't mean no one else would be interested in the player. I don't kind paying for talent and think that it adds to the competition and strategy
I agree with Tampa Bay. I agree it sucks to have that happen if you find a gem and someone picks up on that not per their own research, but part of the problem is that more than one person could have done (and probably did do) the research and came to the same conclusion but one is going to beat the others by a matter of minutes or seconds and automatically win that player, it doesn't seem too fair in that regard.
No offense, but this idea is/was completely ridiculous.
It hurts the league more than it helps if FAs are set at just 1 lil million.
If a person really wants a player, then they will outbid whoever else comes bidding.
The ONLY thing that can possibly work to 'reward' guys for their research would be for the opening team to have the right to match top bid and get the guy. But even that is kinda lame sauce..
Post by Joe (Tigers) on Dec 4, 2013 20:53:07 GMT -5
I'm not sure it's 'ridiculous' to try and avoid piggybacking. In real life, if a team wants to sign a guy off the street mid-season they don't have to run it by all 29 teams first... Especially guys outside of the top 500 players. Feel free to vote and share your opinion - just avoid things like calling other people's ideas 'completely ridiculous' I want to encourage people to speak their mind as freely as possible and offer league improvements and new ideas.
Last Edit: Dec 4, 2013 20:56:20 GMT -5 by Joe (Tigers)
Well again, no offense, but my opinion is that it's ridiculous. There is nothing wrong with using that word.
I am throwing a personal insult, so don't be so sensitive, as we are having a discussion-- not an argument or anything of that sort.
A team in real life may not have to run things by other teams, but you can be sure the player's agent is fielding offers from more than one team. Or trying to shop his player.
In lieu of that, we have a bidding system. I understand your concern for those who find gems, but you have to see how it messes up a league for prices to be set at a fixed point.
Post by Phillies (Jason) on Dec 4, 2013 21:09:15 GMT -5
I do see where both sides are coming from. I like the idea of the people doing the work getting their player. I can see to how this can get out of hand. I see it really only getting out of hand when there's no roster limit. When there is a roster limit I lean toward letting the person get the player because most people doing research will also value roster space as they typically have a lot of specs.
More than any other sport, players 'come out of nowhere' every year.
And baseball is a game of attrition.
How anyone could support people gobbling up FAs at a buck per without any kind of bidding is beyond me.
It would completely imbalance the league.
If you wanna be rewarded for your 'research' then find the potential breakout players in the offseason/spring training, before they shine when it matters most.
Post by Mets (Hani) on Dec 4, 2013 22:39:57 GMT -5
Yes most good prospects will already be owned but I can guarantee you there WILL be good prospects that are called up during the season and this is especially true for pitchers and closers. Take Danny Salazar from last season - he was not owned in any of my deep leagues then he gets the call mid-season and dominates.
On Yahoo we can use FAAB (Free Agent Acquisition Budget), it's a sort of silent bidding process and it would reward those that do the research and at the same time make it fair to everyone.
While I hate getting piggy-backed as much as everyone else, my issue with the automatic $1 bid is that a lot of players' value is derived from opportunity and the opportunity can shift any game.
We can all name 10 relievers that would be excellent if in a closers role, but they aren't owned in our league because non-closers have no value (I understand we use HOLDS here but I'm speaking more in generalities). If the closer is injured the reliever's value is automatically boosted and I don't believe they should go to $1 to whoever can get to the board first and post a bid. Multiple teams knew he would thrive, the opportunity was just never there. The player should go to the team willing to spend the most for his services.
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