Post by Ryan (Cubs) on Jan 28, 2017 17:49:01 GMT -5
I know I'm the new guy here and you all have been running a successful league thus far, but has there been thought to adjusting the way rookie contracts work to include arbitration or something like that? Typically, rookie contracts are two years long and then you have 4 years of arbitration where salary is based on performance. I'm asking because I see a discrepancy herewhen you get a rookie at $2 for two years and then they start at $4 for up to four years - then you can re-sign them for another four years at $6/yr; this means that you can own that stud "rookie" for 10 years at halfthe cost of what your free agents and firstround talent are signing for. Push that even further, and you can own someone like Kris Bryant (really any person that was drafted on a rookie contract) for the first 14 years of his career and not pay more than $9/year. The league is weighted so heavily in favor of drafting and keeping rookies that it de-incentivizes trading them - someone already made thecomment that they get a decade of one player for trading Yu Darvish in the final year of his contract. If you were to offer "arbitration" after the two-year rookie contract based on a pre-set bars for statlevels it would make the salaries more reflective of the players actual value - eventually allof your first rounders are going to have salaries of <$9/year because of this.
I kind of agree. I like the $2 and $4 structure but getting them for $6 for another 4 years is a lot. Maybe we could consider upping that to $8 or something. However, it would be difficult to monitor because we would have to keep track of who is on the rookie scale and who was a free agent
Post by Ryan (Cubs) on Jan 28, 2017 19:08:14 GMT -5
I've done it before in a salary league that I used to run. It is actually fairly easy once you get the figures spaced out appropriately. You'd essentially pay a certain amount for stat milestones in the prior season, for example:
You'd do that for each stat category. If a top tier guy like Kris Bryant should be valued at say $12 (based on your salary figures from the initial draft) then you would expect for his stats to add up to around that figure in arbitration.
Then to not penalize a manager for picking someone like Kris Bryant, you could say that the first two years of arbitration are at 50% of the value, the third is 75%, and the final is 100%.
I've done it before in a salary league that I used to run. It is actually fairly easy once you get the figures spaced out appropriately. You'd essentially pay a certain amount for stat milestones in the prior season, for example:
You'd do that for each stat category. If a top tier guy like Kris Bryant should be valued at say $12 (based on your salary figures from the initial draft) then you would expect for his stats to add up to around that figure in arbitration.
Then to not penalize a manager for picking someone like Kris Bryant, you could say that the first two years of arbitration are at 50% of the value, the third is 75%, and the final is 100%.
Interesting concept. Can you show an example?
Last Edit: Jan 28, 2017 22:39:58 GMT -5 by Mets (Hani)
Post by Ryan (Cubs) on Jan 30, 2017 1:42:49 GMT -5
Here is a version of the arbitration system I've used before, I tried to modify it for this league. We can play with the salaries to get the values right but I think it should be pretty close.
Salary Arbitration for Minor Leaguers Becoming Salary Arbitration Eligible: All drafted minor leaguers under rookie contracts that have played 2 or more seasons on a team's roster will be eligible for salary arbitration each season for the four following seasons.Arbitration will begin following the initial two years of the rookie contract.
RUNS 60-79 = $0.50 80-89 R = $1 90-99 R = $2 100-109 R = $3 110+ R = $4
Calculating Arbitration: Using the player's stats from the past season, add up the player's salary from the pay scale above. Use the scale below to figure out the players next season salary. o 3rd year- 50% of salary, Max $8 and Min of $4 o 4th year- 60% of salary, Max $10 and Min of $4 o 5th year- 80% of salary, Max $12 and Min of $4 o 6th year- 100% of salary, Max $16, and Min of $4
Last Edit: Jan 30, 2017 18:46:24 GMT -5 by Ryan (Cubs)
Here is a version of the arbitration system I've used before, I tried to modify it for this league. We can play with the salaries to get the values right but I think it should be pretty close.
Salary Arbitration for Minor Leaguers Becoming Salary Arbitration Eligible: All drafted minor leaguers under rookie contracts that have played 2 or more seasons on a team's roster will be eligible for salary arbitration each season for the four following seasons.Arbitration will begin following the initial two years of the rookie contract.
RUNS 60-79 = $0.50 80-89 R = $1 90-99 R = $2 100-109 R = $3 110+ R = $4
Calculating Arbitration: Using the player's stats from the past season, add up the player's salary from the pay scale above. Use the scale below to figure out the players next season salary. o 3rd year- 50% of salary, Max $8 and Min of $4 o 4th year- 60% of salary, Max $10 and Min of $4 o 5th year- 80% of salary, Max $12 and Min of $4 o 6th year- 100% of salary, Max $16, and Min of $4
One question:
Can the salary ever go down year to year or is it like real life where it can only go up or stay the same?
Post by TB Rays (RSP) on Jan 30, 2017 7:41:35 GMT -5
So this is after the initial 2 year RY deal? (ie - I call him up. Then resign him to 1 or 2 year RY deal - after that it reverts to this scale)?
My only question with this is because we already have guys being resigned under the old policies, how and when would we start this? If some people already have their rookie deals locked up in $4 deals for the next 3 or 4 seasons, how is it fair for those of us with expiring RY deals next year to have to pay more? are we going to retroactivly adjust any (if there are any) current rookie resigns?
Post by Ryan (Cubs) on Jan 30, 2017 7:52:40 GMT -5
That's up to the commish. I'd say we should start next year and just adjust people that time based on where they are at in the arbitration process. If this was done, it would be done to protect the league from having everyone being $4-6 keepers for the next 10-14 years which would really screw up free agency and player valuations
Wait nvm. Bogaerts was extended at $4 for 4 years from the rookie contract by the Reds. He was the only one the first year. Then he was traded to the Cubs. So he's the first one. We could do $4 for this year and gen he goes into ARB next year with the other guys
Just to let you know, this is a deal-breaker for me. If you guys add this complexity to the league I am out. No offense and no hard feelings. I'm not really an accounting fan, I am simply a baseball fan.
Post by Ryan (Cubs) on Jan 30, 2017 21:46:50 GMT -5
I'd be happy to do the arbitration calculations each offseason. It is actually pretty straightforward - you will get a price and you either agree to pay it or release/trade the player
We could even do a significantly simpler option as well. Something such as Top 20 preseason ranking: $10 Top 50 preseason ranking: $8 Top 75 preseason ranking: $6 Top 100 preaseason ranking: $5 Top 150 preaseason ranking: $4 Everyone else: $2
Players can never decrease salary, only increases. Renew each year. Then after 3 arb years you pay 1.5x their highest arb (which would always be their last since salaries can't decrease.
We could even do a significantly simpler option as well. Something such as Top 20 preseason ranking: $10 Top 50 preseason ranking: $8 Top 75 preseason ranking: $6 Top 100 preaseason ranking: $5 Top 150 preaseason ranking: $4 Everyone else: $2
Players can never decrease salary, only increases. Renew each year. Then after 3 arb years you pay 1.5x their highest arb (which would always be their last since salaries can't decrease.
I like that concept, but if your guy has 1 "good" season and jumps up to $8 then falls back into mediocrety for a year or 2, you would have to over pay to keep him based on 1 season. I'd be curious to calculate the stats calculations versus this scale and see how they line up.
We could even do a significantly simpler option as well. Something such as Top 20 preseason ranking: $10 Top 50 preseason ranking: $8 Top 75 preseason ranking: $6 Top 100 preaseason ranking: $5 Top 150 preaseason ranking: $4 Everyone else: $2
Players can never decrease salary, only increases. Renew each year. Then after 3 arb years you pay 1.5x their highest arb (which would always be their last since salaries can't decrease.
This is ok too, but i think that it won't be as specific since pre-season rankings are based partially on projections for what a player is expected to do whereas the other way is based solely on what the player already has done
Yea not sure I want to put 100% salary trust in Yahoo's rankings
That's true haha. What about prior season Actual Rankings? Also, the "If a guy has one good year you are going to have to pay him" argument adds an additional wrinkle when deciding whether to offer arbitration. Most of those arbitration values are very average amounts, and I believe that over 75% of the arbitration decisions would still be offered
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