Post by Pirates (Gregg) on Feb 1, 2017 21:32:25 GMT -5
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Player control after the rookie contract expires is a hot button topic, we need to think what is in the best interest of our league. We have gotten to the point several teams are operating their teams instead of juggling salary cap issues after the intial draft. I agree with several members, I do not want to make a rule just to make a rule.
I think the complex nature is making this tough, many managers are drafting players and organically building their teams. I am a player in this league, but some of the stat based methods makes sense but this is a free league and we want to have fun (not stat crunch).
Since we are struggling to build consensus, we can continue to talk about this and any other rule changes. We will not vote on this measure until next off season, if we vote on this change. We need to keep in mind we want to dream to be the GM of our real team to us.
Can we take a vote? I think everybody wants to see some change. I would be willing to do any of the options, because I believe they are all significantly better alternatives to what we have now.
The fact that everyone is averaging around $10 per open roster spot for free agency this year is ridiculous, and it is going to get even more pronounced as more young guys get brought up and having the option to easily dump guys with buyouts all season. I think a change is necessary, and it's going to be harder the longer we wait. I'd rather have a plan in place going into next year when a large group would be entering ARB years.
Post by Pirates (Gregg) on Feb 1, 2017 22:19:06 GMT -5
I don't want to have more mangers leave because of our rules. A few have expressed concerns with too many changes. At this point we need to address key issues with the league. I believe Player Control needs to be ironed out to something that is logical and simple to use, I think we need more mangers commenting and driving thought on this subject. Right now we have about half dozen engaged. If we roll out a rule after only a few days of discussion it will cause trouble.
This particular rule will impact more this next offseason. Several rookies will be involved next offseason so a rule change at this point in time is not as critical. We need a vote which makes sense and productive and not rushed.
After all the buyout vote has me confused, we have a majority (8-5) but is this really a majority?
I suppose. I think in the meantime we should make Xander Bogaerts a $4-RY1 contract since he is the only one that would be affected this year. Gives an extra year of control at the same value he would have been under the old rules.
Post by Pirates (Gregg) on Feb 1, 2017 22:40:28 GMT -5
Yes, I agree with Astros arbitration is the wrong word to use. We do not have agents and judges deciding contracts. So I have used the term player control we can use whatever appropriate term in making a good rule.
Post by Brewers (Kyle) on Feb 1, 2017 23:15:59 GMT -5
I'm a new manager (a whole month under my belt with you guys). This is my first complex league (more than the 5x5 and 6x6 standard Yahoo leagues), and while I agree the "homegrown" (drafted & maintained) players are going to be the great deals, that's what this league was set up as. People planned their drafts/players around that fact.
I think it should remain the same 2-R, 2-RY1/2, 3-four years, 4.5-four years, 6.75-four years; because that's how it started and how it should continue. As time goes on, and more expensive contracts fill, this'll play out & even itself out.
Aside from catastrophic events that need to be changed immediately, I don't think there needs to be any changes. Congratulations Manager John Doe on your excellent draft pick of Kris Bryant you are rewarded with a great player for a long time.
The only thing I would change (and no big discussion needed, as it's not a big topic) would be to reduce 4 years to 3 years, or to drop salary caps by $10 each. If everyone seems to have too much money, cut the budget straight across the board.
Regardless, I really do like this league, and while I've spent a LOT of time over the last week (to get down to 25 players), I feel it was all the statistical gameplay I was seeking. So thank you all for allowing me to join.
I'm a new manager (a whole month under my belt with you guys). This is my first complex league (more than the 5x5 and 6x6 standard Yahoo leagues), and while I agree the "homegrown" (drafted & maintained) players are going to be the great deals, that's what this league was set up as. People planned their drafts/players around that fact.
I think it should remain the same 2-R, 2-RY1/2, 3-four years, 4.5-four years, 6.75-four years; because that's how it started and how it should continue. As time goes on, and more expensive contracts fill, this'll play out & even itself out.
Aside from catastrophic events that need to be changed immediately, I don't think there needs to be any changes. Congratulations Manager John Doe on your excellent draft pick of Kris Bryant you are rewarded with a great player for a long time.
The only thing I would change (and no big discussion needed, as it's not a big topic) would be to reduce 4 years to 3 years, or to drop salary caps by $10 each. If everyone seems to have too much money, cut the budget straight across the board.
Regardless, I really do like this league, and while I've spent a LOT of time over the last week (to get down to 25 players), I feel it was all the statistical gameplay I was seeking. So thank you all for allowing me to join.
I think reducing the $4 option from 4 years to 2 years would help. Then you would get 3 years of $2, 2 years of $4, and then have the option to extend up to 4 years of $6, which is a much more regular amount. That coupled with cutting the cap would also help this problem.
Post by TB Rays (RSP) on Feb 2, 2017 6:49:23 GMT -5
Problem is you cant just cut the cap when people are signing other players long term based on the current cap limits. Yes, our cap is a rolling scale based on finish anyway, but then to further cut $$ off the top would impact anyone with many long term deals and not affect those that sign 1 year deals.
My last tidbit about the rookie contract thing - honestly this is the only time I'll feel comfortable changing it. We have a solid group of owners. We have the outspoken, the smart but quiet, the quiet and crazy lol. It's a good mix. I think we are just assuming that because other owners arent as loud as Marlins and I that they havent read and taken in the discussion. Some people might just not feel like "arguing" or debating the issue. They are more go with the flow people. Not a thing wrong with that. Back to why this is the time to change. We are entering yet another free agent year. Another year to sign contracts. Anything I do this offseason will be with a direct eye on my expiring rookies next year. Again, this wasnt the case for anyone except Xavier up to this point. After this season, these rules will impact 15+ more players. Those managers are going to be making teams decisions THIS year that the direction of those rookie contracts will alter possibly. So if we want to change it, the time is now (the year before the change really affects anyone aside from Xavier) - and again, because its a "last minute" change, give his owner the additional $4 RY year and then his Adjustment clock (better than arbitration?:?)starts. The one complaint people are making is it feels rushed. Its not a rushed decision because it really doesn't affect anything THIS offseason. We are implementing it now with our eyes towards next offseason so its already in place and we can all plan accordingly now.
My fear is if we don't adjust it now, FA will pretty much always be a joke. Because resigning studs for $16.5 a year is no big deal for 2 or 3 guys per team is you have another 5-6 making under $4 on RY deals. Even the guy in last place with $122 can shuffle things around. Those guys at the top, well they will be staying there, because they have all the $$ and no reason to have to drop any player they dont want to for at least 4 years.
Post by Giants (Otto) on Feb 2, 2017 13:38:21 GMT -5
My thoughts - when the league was established it was tough to tell how salaries related to the cap would pan out after a few years. And, that's OK. Those things are hard to predict. What we are seeing is a greater impact on contracts and the cap by rookies than maybe what was anticipated.
I would be in favor of modifying the rookie salary structure. I would even be good with something like $2-R, $4-Ry1/$4-Ry2, $6 1-2 years.
By the way, I'm affected by this as much as many because I have a boatload of prospects and rookies that hopefully will be signed to these new contracts.
Post by Blue Jays (Brandy) on Feb 2, 2017 13:40:35 GMT -5
Read the thougts above and although I like the league the way it is I see your points. A simple way to make a change like this would be to (a) implement starting next season that we can only have MAX 3 year FREE AGENT Contracts and MAX 2 year re-signing contracts...so you can only resign you own guys for two years at a time but can dip into free agency for 3. Further for winning bids I would change that we multiply the years offered by the yearly salary so a $5 bid for two years would equal 10 and would be beaten by a $4 contract over 3 years that would equal 12.
Post by TB Rays (RSP) on Feb 2, 2017 13:47:22 GMT -5
I would be against limiting FA and resigning years. I play mostly salary and dynasty leagues because I like to build my franchise over years. Limiting my years I can sign people works against that method and while yes, you'd see more FA, but at the cost of basically making it a typical keeper league with limited keepers
I disagree with limiting free agent player contracts to 3 years. I like the fact that I can draft a player for $x dollars for 4 years. It sure helps the salary cap.
Post by Joe (Tigers) on Mar 20, 2017 18:39:53 GMT -5
What about having a 1 year period after say the rookie contracts are all up where players are 'restricted'? Meaning they are bid on in FA but can be matched by the original team. Say after year 4 of being called up.
What about having a 1 year period after say the rookie contracts are all up where players are 'restricted'? Meaning they are bid on in FA but can be matched by the original team. Say after year 4 of being called up.
Not a fan of this, especially with the way Free Agency went this year. People overbid and you'll never get a fair price for the player. Seriously, I will do all the calculations and people will know the price of their "Player Control" players within 2-3 weeks of the seasons end and then nobody will have to worry about anything other than accepting or declining the option...it couldn't be easier
Last Edit: Mar 20, 2017 22:37:23 GMT -5 by Ryan (Cubs)
Post by Phillies (Jason) on Mar 22, 2017 7:32:04 GMT -5
I like it the way it is. I've been here since the beginning and free agency has been different every year. Next year different again, as a lot of people will free agents because so many players got 4 yr contracts to start. It's tough to make these changes as people make trades based on contracts. As long as we have and follow the same rules there will be some holes, some people like them and some people don't.
Ryan (Cubs): Today is the last day to re-sign your restricted free agents! All players that are left unsigned will be dropped tomorrow and eligible for free agency
Feb 23, 2024 10:02:14 GMT -5
Padres (Rodger): Luis Matos is showing up twice on my roster sheet, as a OF and a SP, can you remove the SP line please.
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Pirates (Gregg): Everyone update your Yahoo Roster!
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Red Sox (Kris): We still have a MAX 20 prospects, correct?
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Ryan (Cubs): Yes. 20 prospects is the MiLB max, you either need to drop a prospect or call someone up if you are over that limit.
Feb 26, 2024 11:56:08 GMT -5
Red Sox (Kris): I don’t, but I know that some do. So, to be clear, we can draft over the 20 limit as long as we cut down before the season starts?
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Ryan (Cubs): Technically you should be dropping a player anytime a draft pick or trade takes you over the limit of 20. I must've missed it but Yankees needs to release one of his MiLB players, they are the only team over the limit right now
Mar 1, 2024 7:43:12 GMT -5
Red Sox (Kris): Thanks for clarifying
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Blue Jays (Brandy): Still willing to talk SP......
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Rockies (Jose): Is Yuki Matsui rostered?
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Ryan (Cubs): Technically you can't bid on Yuki in free agency until he pitches an inning in the MLB. You could have drafted him in the MiLB draft, but players that haven't made their debut can't be nominated in Free Agency.
Mar 13, 2024 13:37:27 GMT -5
Blue Jays (Brandy): Shopping Gallen if anyone needing an ace level sp
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Blue Jays (Brandy): Shopping Vaughn if anyone needs a 1b?
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Mariners (Rook): I do believe Ronel Blanco free agent final bid of $3/3 by LAD is invalid and the player should be returned to free agency. That was LAD last transaction and it put his cap -0.25. We can’t go negative cap. What say you?
Apr 5, 2024 21:29:05 GMT -5
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Ryan (Cubs): @mariners, correct. LAD's bid on Blanco put him $.25 over the cap so the bid is invalidated. I've messaged LAD and dropped Blanco from his roster
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Pirates (Gregg): @mariners Tyler Holton RP DET
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Ryan (Cubs): NEW FORUM UPDATE: I created a new space to list your Prospect Promotions. A lot of the promotions get lost in the Roster Moves tab. Please post all of your prospect call-ups in the new section and I'll be able to update the page faster!
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Ryan (Cubs): Of course D’Arnaud hits 3 HR today…after I put him on waivers
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